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on 7th March 2010 at 20:22, Marie Lynam said:

Hello Carlr
Cannot make out your name, but well done for bringing this very important proposal up.
The Posadist IV International adheres to the proposal and calls on all the Trade Union Centres of the World, all the Trade Unions and all workers organisations to take part, as well as all the communist, socialist, workers parties, and all the nationalist revolutionary movements.
See how it is a Revolutionary Nationalist Movement that has initiated this (in Venezuela), and how it should have been the world Communists. Here you have the confirmation of what Posadas said 30 years ago (or even before), that the leaderships of the world Communist movement refused to take power, but the revolution continued anyway.
Capitalism is death. The proletariat is the only class with the interest to represent society, and the collective consciousness to organise it. It is the only class with the power to draw the whole of society behind itself and transform society. These are the lessons of the Paris Commune, of the Soviets in 1905, and of 1917.
Philosophers continue to analyse capitalism, the point now is to change it, and the world proletariat is the force upon which to build the V International. The V International can be the conscious political Party that prepares the political organisms for the international overthrow of what is left of capitalism. It can be the means through which humanity becomes fully awake to the world war capitalism is preparing. The means to foresee and pre-empt. The means to impel the left in all the existing mass parties and organisations. The means to help the British proletariat revolutionize Labour.
Workers of the World, Unite!
Marie Lynam for the Posadist IV International
7.3.10

on 8th March 2010 at 11:26, carlr said:

Hi Marie,

Carl is fine, if you need to call me something

I think the idea of V International is a very promising development, as long as it is done in an inclusive and participatory manner. For example, the LRC should be able to be involved… maybe even Labour branches should be able to be involved.

Unfortunately, the existing Socialist International simply isn’t up to the job of involving people in an active, dynamic global social justice movement. We need something else, fast.

The Left is so fractured, and full of different thoughts. I find it hard personally to picture a proletariat such as you describe. Whatever doctrinal differences, the last 20 years should teach us the necessity of working together and holding out the prospect of a full ideological and organisational revival. Anything else would be a betrayal of the future. In this, and on many things, we should agree.

on 16th March 2010 at 09:10, Marie Lynam said:

Hello Carl

Something went wrong with your posting regarding the V International. Today, I could not open it again. It needs you to keep an eye on it, so that it may not simply disappear from the radar.

Also, your document needs to be in English. Or is it somewhere in English, and I missed it?

The “proletariat” seems an abstraction, but it is all those who sell their labour, and these are still the majority of the population anywhere. Also, the proletariat is very concrete. Look at the BA cabin workers. They do not say: I must abandon all my human rights in order not to make complications for the New Labour Government. It says, by its conduct (it has no other voice): ‘We are not paying for the crisis’. The fact that elections are looming does not stop these workers, nor does it stop the railways workers and the public service ones. In other words, they give to the need to fight the priorities of capitalism a greater importance than to the electoral process. And very consciously, they tell New Labour that if it is to receive the workers’ support, Labour must deserve it by saying: ‘No, the workers must not be asked to pay for the crisis of capitalism. We shall defend them from the attacks of capitalism’.

Carl, tell us will you, what is the organisation ‘z-communications’? I cannot open anything under that heading on google.

Can you give us a means to contact, so that we can grow strong around you?

Chavez said: “Capitalism makes strong the part of you that it does not kill”.

Marie Lynam